Am I to assume that the silence means that you are indeed a racist? I found your comments offensive, no big whoop, we are all free to our opinions. I Just thought I would give you the oppurtunity to clarify.
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Question for Danny Haszard
by Death to the Pixies ini noticed this on your blog: .
"heads up!
80% of the jonestown murder victims were non-whites.. a similar racial discrepancy exist among jehovah's witnesses".
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Question for Danny Haszard
by Death to the Pixies ini noticed this on your blog: .
"heads up!
80% of the jonestown murder victims were non-whites.. a similar racial discrepancy exist among jehovah's witnesses".
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If you need to Danny, PM me with your response. It is just an odd comment that I wish you to clarify.
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Question for Danny Haszard
by Death to the Pixies ini noticed this on your blog: .
"heads up!
80% of the jonestown murder victims were non-whites.. a similar racial discrepancy exist among jehovah's witnesses".
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I noticed this on your Blog:
"Heads up! 80% of the Jonestown murder victims were non-whites.
A similar racial discrepancy exist among Jehovah's Witnesses"
Could you explain what this means in your view? What is your view on race?
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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Nark,
Agaib, sorry forthe delay, I had to take time and check some examples. Thank you for you latest post,
After searching thru the LXX and GNT, I guess I can see some of the examples of "ethnos" I took as supportive of my view could be seen your way as well, without too much imagination. (Matthew 24 etc.etc..) I do not have access to X-Biblical Greek examples from the time of Christ-and in the Patristic period, maybe you could help me out there with a couple sources/or links?
As far as the the fold/flock of John 10:16, we shall agree to disagree.
Quick question: Do you have access to the Original Greek of Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho and other works ? If you do, could you answer the PM I am sending you? If you do not wish to be bothered with it, then don't bother with it :>)
Regards.
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Jehovah won't be my MYSPACE friend.
by professor in.
i think i know why jehovah hasn't made me his myspace friend.
he probably already has 144 thousand and so he's all done.. .
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I noticed this on your Blog:
"Heads up! 80% of the Jonestown murder victims were non-whites.
A similar racial discrepancy exist among Jehovah's Witnesses"
What is your view on race?
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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Oops, Sorry, I forgot about this forum.
Nark:Sorry, I don't see two folds: in v. 1 there is just one (the sheepfold, hè aulè tôn probatôn); those who are "not of this fold" (ha ouk estin ek tès aulès tautès, the demonstrative tautès clearly referring to v. 1) are not said to belong to "another fold". They are just depicted as being "out" of this one (in the open countryside, as it were).
Reply: Well verse 1 seems to apply only to the Jews as "the sheepfold", the Jews being the focus of the discussion all the way to vs. 16...Then he says he has sheep that do not belong to that fold mentioned in vs. 1. Isn't another fold implied though when it says as the NAB renders it "These do not belong to this fold".?
Nark:As I said there were never "two folds," and the metaphor applies to where the sheep were prior to Jesus' calling them. Afterwards they are no longer pictured as enclosed anywhere. He "leads them out" (v. 3, exagei auta, remember the ek in v. 16). The gate through which they pass is Jesus, and he doesn't lead them to another "fold" or "closed place" (v. 9, "Whoever enters by me will be saved, and will come in and go out and find pasture," a beautiful depiction of freedom
Reply: Interesting interpretation on "Freedom"... But I do take it merely as an interpretation of what Christian Freedom entails. However, I must say I enjoy your style and knowledge on this topics, and the other ones you have posted on.
Nark: Indeed, "anointed Christians" is JW speech. Where does the NT speak of "non-anointed Christians" btw? When the Johannine writings use the metaphor of "anointing," chrisma, it explicitly applies to all (1 John 2:20,27).
In the Gospel, the "one" is the divine unity of the Father and Son, which ultimately includes believers (10:30; 11:52; 17:11,21ff). Whence "one flock, one shepherd," not "one flock under one shepherd"
Reply: "All" always has exceptions, but in this case the "all" refers to the people John is writing to. So therefore it would be unfair to expect me show the term "non-anointed Christians". Again, I am not necessarily fond of the aspect of freedom you assign the Sheep. Christ is still said to be the head of the body, which implies a subjection. I do believe the sheep will attain a nature equality with the Son as that is explicitly taught in scripture.
Nark:I disagree: ethnos doesn't mean "country". Only from the modern perspective of "nation" is such a misunderstanding possible. Btw the ethnic solidarity to which you refer in the highlighted phrase shows that the whole Jewish community, including the diaspora (to which "this place," the Jerusalem temple, was a central unifying symbol down to 70 AD), was logically included in Caiphas' statement. The destruction of the temple was a threat to the Jewish community (ethnos) everywhere.
Reply: Well I have not formally studied Greek, so I will take your info into consideration on this subject. Under my thoughts on it, I took it to mean a reference to a group of people, depending on context what that would entail. Of course you know how I understood the context of 11:52.
Interesting that the Living Bible (a paraphrase) glosses ethnos as "Israel".
Nark: Plus, in other Johanine expressions, he uses similiar language of Jews abroad.
Reply: 7:35, similiar language.
Regards.
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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Thanks for your latetst post, I am Going away for the weekend, I will give it more than a quick glance and get back to you in the near future.
Regards.
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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I believe he was making more than just an ethnic distinction, I believe that ethnic distinction was between those who the covenent was made with (Jesus' brothers, his own people) and the Gentiles. I believe the Gentiles were not of the heavenly calling, nor were they the seed of Abraham.
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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Death to the Pixies
I really do
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The other sheep: Looking for an apologist to offer an explanation
by IP_SEC ina verse constantly plucked from context by witnesses is john 10:16. they use it to prove that there are two classes of christian.. and i have other sheep i have other sheep, which are not of this fold: those also i must bring and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.. the this fold say witnesses are anointed christians and the other sheep are christians with an earthly hope.. read the text carefully and in context, and i challenge anyone to be able to prove that.. in chapter 9 jesus heals a man born blind.
this infuriates the pharisees who then attack the healed man and threaten him with being expelled from the synagogue.
the man will not recant and is thrown out.. jesus finds him and asks him to be his follower.
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Reply: I take the Other sheep at the moment of *Jesus'* words as the Gentiles . I do not take 11:52 and Caiahpas' words as to the same context.
I believe Caiaphas had no other intention than merely to state that it was better to put Jesus to death than to have the whole nation be destroyed by/if Jesus became King..